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4th Interview with Drunvalo Melchizedek for Marie Allizon in December 2000
Marie:
Have we already entered the fourth dimension? I mean, some of us?
Drunvalo: I think the Earth has entered into the fourth dimension, and we
are now weaning ourselves off of the third. A lot of the new children coming in are
realizing that we are actually in the fourth, and they are doing fourth dimensional things
like putting hands through walls, or retrieving pills out of a sealed bottle etc.. And
it’s not just children-there are scientists coming in that are demonstrating this-like
the one up in Canada. The scientists are all studying him, because he has all
these black boxes that do all these amazing things, but when they look inside there are no
electronics with wires and crystals- there are no computer chips. It is old pieces of
salami and broccoli and hot dogs and stuff like that.
Also you can talk to Slim Spurling about the guy who said he’s going
to make a free energy machine: he took a coat hanger and said "this is a free energy
machine", connected his house to the coat hanger and his house lights up. And
it’s just a coat hanger. That is because if you give it power- if you believe it,
that’s what happens. I hear from the government how concerned they are about this,
because obviously, it could get really crazy when people understand how powerful human
thought and emotions are.
Marie: But isn’t that the way out? Those psychic children who do not accept war, etc.
will force the government to change.
Drunvalo: Right now, this is quite clear that it is what will happen, and
that’s also what the angels showed me a long time ago, in 1971, that these children
would begin to come in toward the end of the century. That is extraordinary, and they are
not earthlings, but coming from other parts of the universe. They said that at one point
they would all link in consciousness and become a single living being. When that happens,
they would be more powerful than any government or country or anything, and by their very
presence, would begin to change everything. But that has not happened yet. In fact, when
I’ve interviewed many of these children, especially the psychic children, and asked
them: "are you linked with other people, do you have other friends that do
this?" They don’t. Inge Bardor knows over a thousand kids that can do what she
does, but they’re not linked. In fact, they’re more separate than others.
Marie: That’s why you’re doing the magazine?
Drunvalo: The magazine is for everyone to begin to see what’s going
on in the world. Inge Bardor (see her interview in the November issue of the
spiritofMaat.com) wants the other kids to realize that they are normal, she wants to
help, but she realizes she’s had a very difficult life because she knows what
everybody is thinking, and feeling, perfectly. Because she knows when her friends come to
her that they’re not really friends-they want money, or something-they’re not
with her just because of her-so this has isolated her. She is always looking for an honest
person, and she can’t find one.
Everything has changed now. Something has happened in the world that has changed
everything. It has changed all the prophecies, including the ones by Edgar Cayce,
the American Indians etc., it’s changed all the prophecies-none of the negative
things have happened, because of the work of certain people in the world.
Marie: Like angels?
Drunvalo: No, living people, people that have
come together. And to put that into the magazine would take a lot of explanation. And it
would have to be carefully worded, otherwise people will tear it apart, if they don’t
really understand what it is. People like James Twyman are part of it.
What happened is that people have done something, like put our universe on a
parallel reality, they’ve switched it over to another fate, and that was
never seen by the people in the past who made the predictions, because it wasn’t
coming from the past. It was coming from the future. It was people who were coming from
the future altering our past. And the first group was a group of twelve children, who were
in Israel. Those 10-11-12- year-old children have altered something.
Marie: We talked about that in the last interview --www.4dshift.com/drudec99.htm
Dru: Yes.
Marie: But, if we are in a parallel universe, then why do you have such a concern
about Mother Earth? Are we no longer on the earth?
Drunvalo: Well, the shift to the parallel universe didn’t alter
everything-it only altered certain things. There have been at least four different shifts
to different parallel universes that I’m aware of. At least four times—that
I’m certain-that have taken place, since 1998. There may have been more. The angels
said there are at least 17 more. We’re going to keep jumping from one reality to the
next to the next to the next, till we get to this place where we’re OK. You can see,
with the Y2K and all that, nothing happened. Some actors here who are not human have come
from other worlds. They are coming together in groups, small groups-the smallest one is
twelve-and the biggest one I’m aware of is about 250 people.
Marie: Is that due to our prayers or merkaba?
Drunvalo: Well, the prayers for world peace and the people
activating their merkabas have made this possible. This is also what the Kogi (a
Colombian tribe) are saying. The Flower of Life people and James Twyman and all the people
praying, have made it possible for these higher level people to come in and alter the
earth in certain ways so that all the massive earth changes Cayce predicted never
happened. The event of May 5th 2000 didn’t happen.
Marie: So why are you still concerned with the Earth, the forests and so forth?
Drunvalo: Because there are still problems. The problems aren’t over
yet. So my job is to keep bringing the attention to the world until the problems go away,
then I won’t talk about them anymore. I’m not worried about earth changes
anymore. But I am still concerned about the health of the planet. And when the people come
together to heal those areas we can start making changes that are super-positive, for
example, bringing in the free energy machines or a technology that can
bridge a gap between the deadly technology that we’ve been in, and a technology
that’s healthy.
Marie: How do we do that?
Drunvalo: It’s all there. It already exists. The World Bank
has designated 26 forests in the world that are crucial, and if these forests start to
die, the world will die. So there are negotiations underway with the governments owning
those forests, for example Brazil and Peru. I’m really relieved and happy that this
is happening.
Marie: How can we best help the universe move toward the fourth dimension?
Drunvalo: I think the best way is to realize that every person is very
powerful in the human equation, and that what you’re thinking and feeling
actually creates the world. So your thoughts and your feelings are important.
We’re not in an ordinary reality right now. So by meditating, praying and actually
seeing the earth getting better and by seeing your body getting healthier and all the
people around you getting healthier is creating a better world. Just knowing that it is
going to get healthier, feeling it in your heart and feeling it in your body- that’s
the key. We have to just keep seeing a more positive world emerging. You don’t
have to think out all the details, about the Middle East, for example. All we need is just
seeing the whole world getting better and better and better.
Marie: I heard you say that Mother Earth could be cured with one person.
Drunvalo: I meant one person who was really pure, who was really in the
higher levels of consciousness. There is hardly anybody there; we’re moving up in
baby steps, but we’re getting there. If you consider all the people around the world,
maybe one of them can do it. Because we’re all working together, it is getting
better. It’s also getting healthier, things are getting smoother. But there are
forces that have karmic patterns on the earth that are unfolding, and if we don’t do
anything we’re going to be in a lot of trouble—there are things that are going
to happen, so we have to stay awake, keep working and just keep seeing the earth getting
better and better and better. Seeing your own body getting better and
stronger—it’s the same things on a microcosm—because it’s important
that you become healthy. You can’t just look at the earth, you also have to look at
yourself, and all your husbands, wives, children. By overcoming all these negative
patterns, everything is getting better and better and we are doing it.
Marie:
If you were to ask again permission from Mother Earth to clean., would she say no because
she wants the whole world to do it rather than one?
Drunvalo: I don’t know what Mother Earth is going to do, but I know
that she has become very alert, conscious. She is now a beautiful teenager, no longer the
fearful child. The earth’s merkaba field is functioning perfectly, and she has the
potential of changing anything at any time. She’s allowing it to move in the way that
it’s moving. I’m very optimistic. There were times when I was very concerned. But
we are going to make it now and I know it. But there are going to be many times
in the future when it’s going to look really bad, and then all of a sudden, like a
miracle, it’s going to change and keep going. And you’re going to keep watching
these things where "oh my gosh, it’s not going to make it," and then it
does anyway.
Marie: Thanks to the parallel universe help?
Drunvalo: Thanks to the prayers, to the creation pattern that
we’re making (people are working with their light bodies) to all the people in the
world that are working together to make it happen. But ultimately, it’s going
to be the children, and the adults that are connected to the children, who will
make the final huge change. I don’t know how it’s actually going to unfold. But
it will and it’s just so important that nobody gives up. Just keep seeing the earth
getting healthier. And every time we’re presented with a Middle East crisis or
something like that, do not be afraid and just give the situation love, even if you
can’t see how it’s going to work out, just know that it will, and it will.
Marie: So for the Flower of Life people, do you recommend that we keep
reactivating our merkaba (and our extended merkaba)?
Drunvalo: Yes. And that was what the Kogi found out when their prophecy
did not manifest; they had never been wrong before. According to them, we were to be out
of here and not even in this dimensional level by August 11. They just couldn’t
believe that we were still here. When they searched the world in their inner psychic ways
to find out why we were still here, they came to me and said it was thanks to all
the people who were working with their merkabas and their light bodies that
changed the world. They were absolutely amazed that we had done this. So keep working, we
will reach a place where we’ll all be together, we’ll be safe, there’ll be
health, and we’ll be able to progress without all these crazy events and fears.
Marie: Is the meditation we did with Emma, the Kogi spiritual teacher yesterday, helping
to reach a higher level and helping the earth?
Drunvalo: Right now, it’s experimental, they’re testing us to
find out what we’re capable of and what we can do. They’re hoping that
we’ll be able to go into our hearts in such a way that we will become like them, and
begin to help assist Mother Earth. Remember, the earth is like someone who has
cancer and is in the critical ward that’s been given a few days to live.
What we’re seeing now is that she’s getting better and better and the remission
is starting, the cancer is starting to go away, and we’re getting stronger, and the
pancha mamas are clear that we’re doing this, because they were doing everything they
could, and it was getting worse, and then when it started getting better, and they
realized it was us doing it.
All I know is that whatever we’re doing is working. I honestly believe that if we had
not done this, that if all the people had done this, this world would be in utter chaos
and in complete pain and dying rapidly right now. We can’t stop. As more and more
people are learning this, it’s spanning the whole world.
Marie: Do you want to talk about your new
magazine?
Drunvalo: TheSpiritofMaat.com is something that
was born on January 1st of 2000. I was doing my meditation and the angels
described what they wanted me to do now in order to reach many, many people. We’re a
long way away from what I saw: a full live broadcast out to the world, and reaching very
large numbers of people. So we’re working as hard as we can to manifest this.
We have four main concerns announced but we have about a hundred. We’re going to come
out with every conceivable idea around spiritual understanding, and elaborate on it.
We’ll keep bringing all the world’s knowledge on healing and meditation and
environmental issues and the children. Many things are just going to keep coming out and
we keep hiring people so we can keep collecting the information from all over the world so
that eventually people can come here and it will be like a library of information that has
been checked out and documented.
So along with the articles we are building all the records too, but the copyright laws
won’t let us do it in the way that we were originally dreaming it. One small article
out of The New York Times that we wanted to put on there to prove what we were talking
about, would have cost $500 a month and 50 cents a hit. Since we now have 12,000 people a
month looking at the magazine, this one article would cost $6,500 a month, every single
month, just for that one little tiny article. So we’ve dreamed up something else.
We’re about to make a world internet library and put it in there so the world can
access it—but you won’t be able to copy it .
Marie: Any comments on Mikael Zayat's oils
and their use?
Drunvalo: I have not tried all of his 90 excellent
blends, but there are certain oils that I use, since I am travelling
so much, and STRESS OUT DOES help me when I
am in a stressful situation. And the ENERGY one
replenishes my energy and it does work, it really does. There
is another one Clear which is also very good.
I have used Forgiveness, Healing and Lavender
oils when I am working with people when they are trying to clear
things. They do actually work very well when you are in the
healing process. And for Endocrine, Grounding
and Upliftment...
...oh no, I am late, I do have to catch my plane...(for more
information on Mikael's oils, click here: http://www.4dshift.com/products/oils.htm.
or Slim's tools: http://www.4dshift.com/products/slim.htm.
Marie: Thank You so much.
The transcription
was done by Michelle Renfield, (703) 748-5403, editor, French-English
translator, transcriber and yoga teacher in Northern
Virginia.
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