MARIE
:
Many seem to feel that an activation of the stone
circle known as Stonehenge has begun or has been completed. In general, will
sacred sites around the globe become active and if so why? For what purpose? What would be an appropriate
response from us - as humans to such activations? How does
this impact Gaia, and all of her life forms?
DRUNVALO: “As far as Stonehenge being activated my belief on this as an
overall view is that all the sacred sites in the world were created at a single
moment a long time ago on the fourth dimension through the Ascended Masters for
the purpose of re-establishing the grids around the Earth so that we can come
back into consciousness – the consciousness that we lost 13,000 years ago, when
we fell. And it is true that some of these sites are being activated now and
some have been activated over the last 30 years, or more. There are people who
are drawn to do this. It is just part of what is going on. Most of the
activation, when it was at its hot peak, was about the mid-80s to about the
very early 90s, 1990, 1991, somewhere in there, when there were hundreds of
thousands of people all over the world doing it. It has slowed down a little
bit because the Christ grid, of which these pyramids and sacred sites are all
connected to, has been completed. All that is being done now is to fine tune, to
make better, to complete certain things.
As far as how this impacts Gaia, it is slowly changing
human consciousness and bringing us into Christ consciousness, so this is a good
thing that is going on. There are people who have shown and proven
scientifically, and given this information to the United Nations even, that all
the circles of the world and all the pyramids of the world are interrelated. It
is on our web site The Spirit of Ma’at*. If you go there you can see that
there is a man, I cannot remember his name right now, who has shown
mathematically that each site describes perfectly another site in another
location and describes exactly where that location is. So when you go there,
they are all located together. If you go to one site, it will describe another
one and if you go there it will describe another one and this continues on
through about 83,000 sites all over the world. And the time line is not the
same. The one site that may be describing another one could have been made
before or after that site so there is no logic in terms of the time sequence,
further proving that it was a single mind that created all these things a
long time ago.
...
WindMill Hill crop circle in Avebury on July 18
I actually don’t know when Stonehenge was
completely activated but all those sites had to be connected together like an
electric circuit. That was completed sometimes in the late 80s, I believe, so
that the grid was actually turned on. I know everybody has different ideas
about all this and that there is a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of
truth too. You have to use your discrimination as to what is true and what
isn’t. But the sites had to be activated in order for the grid to be in there.
There is still work going on around the world. Some people are saying they are
activating them because they want to get trips to go out to certain places.
There are people who are real and doing these things. You’ve got everything
going on at once in the world right now. Again use your discrimination, you
have to decide.
MARIE : I thought that the activation was not by a human being, but by...”
DRUNVALO:
The activation was through a combination of the Earth herself and the Ascended
Masters. They are the ones who created these things and they are the ones who
do it. The Great White Brotherhood and the Ascended Masters have used people
and crystals and ceremony to activate some of these pyramids and sites. A lot of
them are unknown, or at the bottom of the ocean, or inside volcanoes so I don’t
think people got down there. There are natural sites also, as well as human
sites. It’s just what is called geomancy of the Earth and by doing geomancy
it affects the energy fields above the Earth. If you do the geomancy just
right, you actually create a geometrical, electromagnetic structure above the
Earth which we call the grids But it is pretty well complete at this point,
it is functioning, it is working. It is not something that may be working in
the future, it is already working now.
MARIE: In your book The Ancient
Secrets of the Flower of Life, you describe the Neters as having a red oval
above their heads. What does the red oval represent? Could it be the pineal
gland? What more can you tell us about the Neters, and their message for our
time?
DRUNVALO:
We are talking about the Neters. My understanding is that the
red oval is called the egg of metamorphosis and it refers to those beings that
are literally going to morph from this dimension into the next where they change
shape and abilities at various levels. The pineal gland does play
a part in this process, because the adept use of the seventh chakra is key to
shifting octaves. The seventh chakra is essential. You cannot make the shift
without mastery of this chakra.
The Neters were what were considered the gods with a small ‘g’. They were the
beings who went ahead of time, some of which we would call ascended masters in
these times. They were people who were at one time human but who evolved in
Egypt through a lot of
training to a place where they function as a god and, ultimately, as a part of
the cosmic DNA of the planet. There were 44 + 2 Neters in the system which is
the exact number of chromosomes that we have in the human DNA and they are
related to our potential as humans. It was through their efforts that they were
preparing humankind to make this kind of change. As far as their message for
this time, I am not really sure about that. Most of them are only working
through very small groups and the one that is working on the largest level is
Thoth himself. But how they are going to share their message, if they have one,
out to humanity at this time, I am not aware of that or what it is.
MARIE: :
In the past, you have commented on crop
circles. On July 4th, a crop circle appeared in Normanton, England in the shape
of a wheel. This glyph looks very similar to the wheels you describe on Temple
walls in Egypt. Are we encountering the vision of the Neters depicted on those
same walls walking along a path that ends at a 90°
turn?
DRUNVALO: The crop circle that I think you are
referring to July 4th was based on the star, ultimately the star
tetrahedron, and this was the second largest crop circle to ever be formed in
crop circle history. I believe that is the one you are talking about.
MARIE
: Can you expand on the 90o angle made by the Neters?
DRUNVALO: The 90° turn
is always used by anyone that moves from one dimensional level to the other.
There is no choice. You can make two 45°
turns, but ultimately you make a 90°
turn. So that your consciousness is at 90°
from where it was before. That’s a long subject. But it is the same
thing if you have seen the UFOs that go extremely fast and make a rapid, perfect 90° turn, and then
disappear because that is what they are doing—shifting dimensions. Now the
ship does not make that 90° turn, it is
the people on board linking together and making a consciousness change, and
so it is the people taking the ship into the other dimensional level rather than
the other way around. The entire process has to do with consciousness. Each
dimensional level of consciousness is separated by a 90°
turn.
MARIE : So are we experiencing now that
change of consciousness?
DRUNVALO: I actually believe we have already made one of those 90° turns in
either late 1998 or early 1999, and I expect that there will be more in the
future. The one that we went through in 98-99, was invisible to the world. We
didn’t know it happened. The ones in the future almost surely will be done with
awareness and we will know that we are doing them, but again it is up to Gaia –
Mother Earth – and what she decides to do about this.
MARIE: Mars. There are signs that a great
deal of money and exploration is planned for Mars now considered a planet with a
lot of water. What are your thoughts on the subject of space exploration to
Mars.
DRUNVALO: We talked about how Thoth in 1984 said that Mars was
covered with oceans at one time and looked very much like Earth --with organic
stuff all over it. Then they had a war that blew away their atmosphere that
eventually evaporated most of the water off the planet, etc. This was a little less than one million years ago. It was about nine hundred and
something thousand years ago. For a long time scientists have told us, there
isn’t any water on Mars and now they are finding more and more and more water.
There is enough water on Mars for a relatively small population to live
indefinitely on Mars. Mars is also creating an atmosphere at the moment that is
developing extremely fast. In the last few years, it has doubled in density,
which science has been able to prove.
MARIE:
In general, what do you feel is the most natural next step we are likely to take as humanity?
DRUNVALO:
I see lots and lots of possibilities of what humanity could do. I do feel that
the one that is coming up some time in the future is that all the indigo kids
and the psychic kids are going to link as a single living being in the world
and that this is going to change everything because they will take control.
There will be millions of these children in all of the countries in the world
and that is one step that I think is a natural step that will alter things. We
are in the midst of an experiment and everything is changing everywhere. I don’t
know if I would really want to say what I think might be the next step because I
like to see it like water flowing with many, many possibilities. I see things
happening that I don’t want to really program into the world as the next thing
that will be. So in this question, I guess I am not really going to answer it
that well.
I believe that humanity is whole, complete and perfect. There
is nothing wrong though it may look like there are many things that
are changing but we are just simply going from one form, one structure, and one
consciousness to another and there is always chaos in between. That’s just
natural, the way everything is and so, in the midst of the chaos we are in now,
we are eventually going to form a new structure. When we reach this new
structure, we will come into peace and harmony and balance in this, I believe
even before we move into the highest levels of consciousness or ascend. And
so, we just have to have faith in humanity and not try to predict what we are
going to do. To have faith in us is more important. To believe in the love that
we have that is really in all of our hearts is what will take us out of the
chaos that we live in.
You can’t go from one
structure – either a political structure, a social structure or a physical
structure, or anything else to another structure without going through chaos.
It literally is not possible. You can look at Cymatics videos and you can see
that when sound affects matter, when it goes from one form to another, it always
goes through this chaotic pattern to get to the other side. So chaos is not
bad, it is the medium through which we transform. That is why you have the
God Shiva in Hindu thought. He is the god of chaos, change, and of decomposition.
It is all part of a cycle. There is nothing wrong. We are in chaos right now.
There is nothing wrong with it. Eventually we will come out the other side
and something beautiful will emerge.
MARIE :
You mentioned the Bible Code yesterday. Can you talk about the 19 words
changed in the Torah and the five challenges we already went through?
DRUNVALO:
It is not nineteen words,
but initially the angels showed me very quickly that there were a certain number
of places – very specific moments in time and space – when certain people on
Earth have to come together and with their hearts, their minds, and their
bodies change the course of history. At first, I wasn’t sure how many. I knew
that it was about 17, 18, 19 or 20. Now I know it is exactly nineteen and we
have been through five of these, that I am aware of. So there are fourteen or
less because some of these may have already happened. There’s approximately
14 or less moments in the future when certain groups must come together to
change it so that we do not go into complete and utter chaos which would
lead us into another direction, or a parallel universe, whereby, in the future, we
would not end up where God planned us, or according to the cosmic DNA.
We will do this, I know it, even if there is always a possibility that we
will not, but we will do it and end up in the world that we are supposed to.
Marie:
So in the previous interview you talked about the Israeli children who made the
move; the second one was Kosovo?
DRUNVALO:
The first one was the blowing up of Jerusalem with an atomic bomb and it was
twelve Israeli children who stopped that. The Kosovo war was intended to become
the third world war, but the Germans changed that one. There was one after
that in Chechnya, Russia. The Muslim community there was planning to put
pressure so that Jihad would be called and the third world war would start. But
the Russian people came together and stopped that one. It is going to end up
being people from all the countries of the world. I know that in South America
Chileans are now preparing to stop a war that could emerge out of Colombia.
There are many factors all around the world . We will come out of this
eventually, and it will happen before February 18, 2013.
Marie: We are creating a new atmosphere (due to solar flares?)
around the Earth, what does it mean to you?
DRUNVALO:
We don’t know that the new
atmosphere is coming from solar flares. All we know is that there is a new
layer of atmosphere around the Earth that has never existed before or at least
we were not aware of it,[ and that is now there]. It was announced to the world
by the Russians from the National Academy of Sciences in Moscow. There is also
an atmosphere that is now around the moon that was not there when we landed in
1968. The Russians have discovered it and it is 6,000 kilometers deep. They
even say what the atmosphere is made out of but I do not have that information
in front of me. There are changes all over the solar system taking place right
now.
Marie:
You mentioned that the Sun is turning from hydrogen to helium?
DRUNVALO:
Yes, that has now been documented but they don’t understand that at this point.
Well, all these changes that are happening in the solar system
are so huge that scientists would normally expect these changes to occur over
millions, and millions of years, and they are all taking place in less than 30
years. I don’t know how this is going to affect us. We are in the midst
of doing research on what we speculate will affect us. These changes have never
been seen before. And there are many more that you can read about in detail in
The Spirit of Ma’at*. We researched and documented them very
carefully.
Marie: You mentioned a city of 125,000 in
Chile with
practically no ozone left? Is there a solution? What can we do?
DRUNVALO
There is no ozone there and the hole of ozone over the south pole is growing and
it now extends over the southern tip of Chile. So Punta Arenas is now
completely exposed to the UVC radiation coming from the Sun. Nobody
knows what to do. The Chilean government has appealed to the United Nations
for help as it wants the entire world to do something about it. But there isn’t
anything you can do other than move the city. At this point, I do not know what
is being done. The UN is trying to figure out what to do, and as far as I know
they have not yet found a solution.
Marie:
So it is a worsening situation... and it could happen
anywhere in the world?
DRUNVALO:
Right now especially the south pole is completely exposed. New Zealand is
getting hit really hard and the people in the southern half of Australia are
also freaked out. All over the world there are holes. They are like Swiss
cheese and they come and they change every year so there are people being
exposed to this UVC. Even though the governments know exactly where these holes
are, they have elected not to tell the people affected when it is happening, probably
so that they will not cause chaos, I guess.
Marie:
So would the Kogi meditation we did last night help solve the problem, for
example?
DRUNVALO:
It could. If we can dream a new dream through our heart, which is something
that shamanism has talked about for a long time, and learn how to connect the
creation process through that way, then it is possible that we could actually
alter the outer course of things and that is something where all of my
attention is being placed on right now.
Marie:
So we could co-create from the heart?
DRUNVALO:
Yes, there is a way of co-creating with God through the heart and it is a
science. It is very specific on how this is done but it is not a science on how
the actual process occurs because it is feminine and has no logic to it.
So I
do not know at this point. That is the cutting edge of where I am working in my
own understanding and so give me a few more months and I will tell you. I am
writing a book right now called Living in the Heart, it will be the third
book, that describes all this information and how to get into the heart in the
way that we have found and how to access all of this. It should be out probably
by the end of the year. Think of The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life”
as the right eye of Horus information, and Living in the Heart as
the way of opening the door to the left eye of Horus, or the female information rather than
the male information.
Marie: You mentioned that
most of the vortexes of our planet are reversed. How is it affecting us?
DRUNVALO: Gregg
Braden just told me that over the last two and a half weeks the magnetic poles
of the Earth are reversing. I have to go back right now and do the research. It
is talked about, he said, in Nature magazine, which is the most
prestigious science magazine in the world, and many other ones, because Gregg
said this is one of the biggest changes in the magnetic field the Earth has
ever seen. I am going back home now and will personally research this and
we will write an article in The Spirit of Ma’at* and let you know what
we’ve found.
Marie: I have a problem with
the definition of dimensions. I thought God was in the 13th, that
some masters can be in the 9th and still operate on our Earth. But
you said that we are about to go to the fourth and when we reach the fifth
dimension we no longer operate in bodies?
DRUNVALO: The dimensions move on one level according to the chromatic
scale. There are other ways they can move and I do not even want to get into
that. But as the world is generally looking at dimensions, there are 144 basic
dimensions. There are twelve major ones and twelve minor ones within each one
of them, so the 12 x 12 produces the 144 major and minor dimensions that exist
in the octave of universes, and then there is what is called the great wall or
the void that exists between each octave and then it repeats all over again. It
is just like music, going up one octave then going up another octave. I myself
am just operating from one octave up and coming back down to this lower octave.
Marie: So when people say that we are already
operating in the 4th dimension and about to reach the 5th,
we are talking about that octave inside the 3rd dimension?
DRUNVALO: No, it is not an octave inside each dimension although there is
one there, it is in the third dimension you go up through those notes until you
get to the fourth. The third dimension is a density dimension – it is very,
very dense, you can knock on a table and all kinds of things. It is hard, but
when you go into the fourth dimension, it is mostly energy and very little
matter. There are still atoms involved in form and shape there. The atoms
are at great distances so a fourth dimensional object would pass right through
the table of a third dimensional object. But when you are in the fourth
dimension you do not know that, it all looks like it does here. It looks
solid because it is all consciousness really and so the fourth dimension still
has individual shape and form. Bodies still exist in the fourth dimension but
when we go into the fifth dimension there is no longer shape and form as we now
know it and consciousness expands out and becomes everything. A person is
not confined to a body but rather becomes the entire creation. There are over
100,000 levels of this ‘becoming all things’, each one different and approaching
the original source.
Marie: Can you talk about the plasma ship over
Mexico City?
DRUNVALO: It is not one ship. There are many of these ships down
there. They are called the plasma ships. They are Light ships. They
are not solid. You cannot knock on them, they are light, they look like lava,
actually. They are orange and glowing. These ships have allowed us to get very
close to them. We can usually get within a hundred feet or so, and photograph
them. For years, I have had people coming from Mexico telling me that they have
had direct experience with them, showing me photographs, showing me videos of
them. They originally came out of the volcano south of Mexico City,
Popocatépetl, El Popo in short, that has been active over the last few
years. When El Popo was not active, Mexicans saw them, would climb up to the top
of the mountain. I had people who saw this first hand, and would see them coming
in and out of that volcano on a daily basis, in fact, sometimes on an hourly
basis. When it became active the ships started coming out of a lake and now they
are just coming right out of solid rock all over the place. Many, many people
have seen them. You go in some of these cities and everybody has seen them
around El Popo area. There is a man named Carlos Diaz who claims that he has
been on board these ships. About a year and a half ago, when Carlos was on board
one of these ships, they asked him to come and see me and to give me all this
information. So we met in Mexico City just a little over a year ago at which
point he was about to turn over 1,800 photographs and 250 hours of video of
these things at close range, including intimate pictures of the beings on board
as they walk around and look at him. I have seen these videos first hand and
the beings come right up close. They are pretty amazing actually.
The material has been analyzed in Germany and the
German computers see these ships from directly underneath. They see them as
living cells and alive. They do appear that way. When the beings walk right
through each other they seem to be like light. When they get on board, the
ships get bigger, they expand. When they get off the ships, the ships get
smaller. They have got them on video where the ships go up in the air about a
quarter mile and then split into two ships and go into two different directions
and later on they will come back in midair and look like they are going to
collide, but no, they just form one ship. They are living merkaba fields,
they are not ships.
They are living merkaba fields of light. Carlos said that the beings on
board would allow me to go on board one of these ships and I agreed to do this.
Also that I could have witnesses. So we were going to have Paramount Pictures
and many other people there involved in the filming of this when it took place.
Then Carlos left to go see the Pope – at his request – to talk about this very
subject. When he got back he refused to talk to us. No phones, no emails,
nothing. We did not know what was going on. He finally sent a person from
Mexico to tell us that he could not talk to us because a member, or members, of
his family had been kidnapped by what appeared to be humans and he was told that
if he continued in this vein with me that he and all his family would be killed.
So there is not much we can do. We are just waiting for the next thing to take
place. We have found quite a few people here in the United States who have seen
them coming right out of the ground. We do know a fair amount about them.
We do know that they used to be on the surface of the Earth a long time ago
and that they were in bodies different from human, but with a similar kind of
understanding and technological understanding. They had developed a
technological understanding and it was doing the same thing as us [now], that it
was actually killing the Earth; the Earth was dying. They talked about how an ET
race came down from space, came down to them and told them something about
themselves. That in this knowledge that was presented to them from the ETs, who
then left, that this race of beings evolved very quickly and soon became light
and went inside the Earth. So where are they coming from? They are not really
ETs, they are beings from within the Earth. They live in these huge orange
sacks, dimensional sacks, inside the Earth, they are part of our evolutionary
cycle. They say that the reason they are here is to do the same thing that those
other ETs did for them – they simply want to tell us something. When we know
what this is they tell us that we will change and transform and we will be able
to solve all of our problems and go on. That is the only reason they want to
tell us this. At least this is what they are saying. I trust them. I believe
that they are real.
Marie: Do you have a comment
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Marie: Thank you. I appreciate your precious time immensely.
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